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Re: Jim: there are still questions about Yahoo.
From Jim on 25 January '98
adding to Jim: there are still questions about Yahoo. posted by Nicholas


>Yes, I should have noted that I saw that
>in your pages. A great idea two years ago.
>But "temporarily changing" could now mean
>6 months as we wait for Yahoo to index the
>page.

Nobody said Yahoo was easy :) The thing about
Yahoo is that it's random. I've had sites listed
in a matter of days - recently! - but you never
know when it's going to happen. It's usually
when you don't care about the listing you've
submitted, the important ones take forever. I'm
sure they do it on purpose.

>Ok - but how diligent are the Yahoo surfers?
>Will they blindly index a sub-page by itself?
>Or will they follow links back up the site? I
>assume the latter.

Indeed. Yahoo will never list anything but a
home page. They're VERY DILIGENT about checking
to see if any other pages on that site are already
listed. They'll follow links to the end of the earth.

> (Certainly going to the new Vicarage
>referral page, since you auto-linked them
>to the real Vicarage page. Are you saying
>there was some danger of Yahoo categorizing
>the Vicarage under "Deadlock," and the new
>URL somehow impressed upon them that they
>should not?)

Erm, I'd forgotten I'd done that. Originally
I had the whole site mirrored in that directory.
Once I had the listing I could do what I liked
because the Yahoo surfers never return a second
time.

>Plowing on, with that question still
>waiting for the light:
>If you suggest a page containing no links,
>will they blindly index it, or do the
>logical thing and go to Location:
>www.yourcompany.com?

Yahoo don't do anything blindly. They've seen
more tricks than you've had hot dinners and there
isn't much that'll get past them, hence my
extreme measures. Yes, they'd certainly check
www.yourcompany.com - in the case of the Vicarage
site, www.yourcompany.com was deadlock Design,
which was nothing to do with the hotel, which
is why I got away with it. If www.deadlock.com
had been a copy of the Vicarage home page, that
would have got listed instead of
deadlock.com/hotels/london/vicarage

>If yes to THAT, then should I make an entire
>dummy site, eliminating all references to
>the company name, and removing the links to
>the "company information" page, then going
>back after indexing and re-doing the listed
>dummy pages?

That's about the size of it.

> (I suppose I could lead them to the dummy
>site with www.ourcompany.com/home.html,
>hoping they figured I was too dumb to make
>the home page "/index". This would still
>leave the real site as
>www.ourcompany.com/index.html, giving the
>search engines something to chew into.)

That might work, but it's not watertight.

>The brain spirals into madness - but where
>the subject is Yahoo, the credo must be
>"No mercy."

Yep.


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